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we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and n bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the problem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. u have front runners tha become mayor . they will not support it it was a nonstarter and never going to work in the stave you have a bett chance of succeeding. >> at least it was a plan . it is no law that said you cannot change 401 k's. that is future andew hires and f their plans. you don't have ill defined benefits and by the way the private sector doesn't get. there is a pension liability in the state of the california. vicki is right. government services are starting to get cut in cities in calirnia . so i tell you, it doesn't cut it when you have things like let's raise the retirement age to age 52. >> the fact is, these things
we'll see hikes in taxs and sales tax increases and more worse is bankruptcies. we see that in stockton and n bernardino. we go to court and bankruptcy law versus pension law. you can see current services cut. tax hikes and other lousy outcomes if we don't see reforms. >> you admit we are having problems paying out the pensions. they are bankrupting. >> the problem is that los angeles is not the place. and it is a ballot initiative. u have front runners tha become mayor . they will...
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john: you wann a tax on junk food. >> the carbohydrate product that is in the market. we are giving the consumer is the choice to a choose what they want to consent. john: good food would cost less. degree food would cost more. >> that is totally correct. john: orange juice and apple seized on food? >> well, i don't believe they are. john: more sugar than coke and pepsi. >> well, we will cross that bridge when we get here, but i will tell you this much. i like my apples and oranges. john: you also helped get to these calorie counts posted at fast food places. >> that is correct. john: go into mcdonald's. no, this merely calories command that helps people. >> we have monies, they make their choices based on what they see. we have managed now to see a wonderfulnumber of decrease in people suffering from obesity and diabetes. john: decreasing. >> moving in that direction. to mcdonald's and burger king and others are more responsible. john: a real study has been done on this. you can say, it doesn't cost that much to put up a little entellusith a calorie count is. and why
john: you wann a tax on junk food. >> the carbohydrate product that is in the market. we are giving the consumer is the choice to a choose what they want to consent. john: good food would cost less. degree food would cost more. >> that is totally correct. john: orange juice and apple seized on food? >> well, i don't believe they are. john: more sugar than coke and pepsi. >> well, we will cross that bridge when we get here, but i will tell you this much. i like my apples...
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dividend taxes could be astronomical. neil: that was the single best explanation of this entire phenomenon that i have heard. >> you flatter me, sir be met really. >> you are very kind. neil: he talked about the avenue of successful investors who was inhibited by the tax rate. i am paraphring. but regardless of what the tax situation was, turning around your argument on dividends, but it could have a big imact on those who might invest in dividend paying stocks with a cd that you get, and maybe that won't happen at all. would he make of that? >> i think he is talking about something else. he is saying that people will not add to employment. neil: i get it, it won't kill the old world investment. >> that will knock it down. 30% of the long-term gain. roughly the right amount in stocks. if you're going to cut that i have, then very roughly, 15% of the value of the stock market, just like that. this is not something that affects only wealt people. it affects anyone who is saving stock market for his or her retirement. that i
dividend taxes could be astronomical. neil: that was the single best explanation of this entire phenomenon that i have heard. >> you flatter me, sir be met really. >> you are very kind. neil: he talked about the avenue of successful investors who was inhibited by the tax rate. i am paraphring. but regardless of what the tax situation was, turning around your argument on dividends, but it could have a big imact on those who might invest in dividend paying stocks with a cd that you...
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with huge gains, you have uncertainty in terms of what the tax ramifications are to hold this into january, so why not trim, especially giving the b bottom that this stock has had. it had a huge snap back. none of that is fundamental. >> we're talking about a 4% move to the downside. >> for a stock, though, ped -- >> well, maybe not -- i think it's reason for us to talk about it, but at the same time if you trim off one of the digits and we're looking at it, wow, it's down 4% -- it's a $23 move on a $500, $600 stock, before we start saying the reasons, let's kind of keep some perspective on apple. >> thanz fine if you just woke up and were looking for stocks today, looking in a vacuum. the to be's in bear market territory. it's a much more significant correction. i agree 4% doesn't mean a lot. >> an opportunity on appear 8, you don't care about death crosses or margin requirements. you have a -- >> i disagree, i think apple is a value stock, no longer a growth stock. now you have to analyze it. now at this point, the new products aren't that innovative, so it requires some analysis. >> whe
with huge gains, you have uncertainty in terms of what the tax ramifications are to hold this into january, so why not trim, especially giving the b bottom that this stock has had. it had a huge snap back. none of that is fundamental. >> we're talking about a 4% move to the downside. >> for a stock, though, ped -- >> well, maybe not -- i think it's reason for us to talk about it, but at the same time if you trim off one of the digits and we're looking at it, wow, it's down 4%...
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sales tax. it is spurring growth and putting people to workhere. wayne would it work here? >> it is a sad day to think that we have to do something the communist china is dng . it worked very well and they have expand today to other provinces in china and it is working very, very well. yes. >> national sales tax does that work here, johnathon? >> it would. it is it fair and treats everyonely and easy to understand and more importantly taxes consumption and not productio the only thing i like about communist china is the chick but the corporate next tax must go and think of how much more wealth and jobs we would have if it add more to the profits every year. >> julian, what do you make of >> the reason a national sales tax is good it is harder to cheat on and the reason it is it bad. economy growing at 2.4 percent. it would not stimulate the commempt i like the bus tax cus the top two percent than the valuattedad tax. all of the economic data said if you let them expire you will have no impact on
sales tax. it is spurring growth and putting people to workhere. wayne would it work here? >> it is a sad day to think that we have to do something the communist china is dng . it worked very well and they have expand today to other provinces in china and it is working very, very well. yes. >> national sales tax does that work here, johnathon? >> it would. it is it fair and treats everyonely and easy to understand and more importantly taxes consumption and not productio the...
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sohere --on't republins have a gripe that he is kind of skewed in favor of taxes, taxes, taxes? >> i'm not going to play a pun it hire, oururpose in coming to washington a group of three democrats and three republican governorso make sure tt perspective of the governors is heard. we you know meeti wh the president day was very productive. he -- >> how? how it was productiv what did he agree to? >> look, we didn't come to support his plan or the republican plan. i think -- >> why did the come? why? >> we came because as these convsations are going on. we want to makeure that perspeive the governors is heard, the fact that states are partners with federal gernment across a whole range of programs, and answer is not just a shift of cost to state, you don't -- just because you move mone off feder budget does notean you are saf figure money is picked up by the state. we talk about importance of flexibility in terms of some state programs. and president was on to that. neil: you run one o the most i guess for lack of a better term, one of the more incorporated states, se -- s many cop
sohere --on't republins have a gripe that he is kind of skewed in favor of taxes, taxes, taxes? >> i'm not going to play a pun it hire, oururpose in coming to washington a group of three democrats and three republican governorso make sure tt perspective of the governors is heard. we you know meeti wh the president day was very productive. he -- >> how? how it was productiv what did he agree to? >> look, we didn't come to support his plan or the republican plan. i think --...
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just tax the rich more. three big unions have taken out big ad campaign saying no cuts to entitlements, don't reform them. just tax the rich more. it's a campaign all over again. and at this moment, the democrats and the president have not given one inch, to my knowledge, on any entitlement reform or entitlement cuts. >> brian: he's going to go to tinker toys, to some odd manufacturing plants. the only thing i could picture him saying is it's time to lift the bush tax rates from the rich and make them pay more. what else could he possibly be talking about? >> he's sticking it to house republicans. i won the election. i campaigned on higher tax rates for the rich. that's what we're going to do. whether he mentions entitlement reform or not, i don't know. but there is no plan on the table at the the moment for the other side of the debate, which is how it affects the spending problem. >> brian: he's also going to talk about how the going over the cliff will affect middle class families and how he's trying to a
just tax the rich more. three big unions have taken out big ad campaign saying no cuts to entitlements, don't reform them. just tax the rich more. it's a campaign all over again. and at this moment, the democrats and the president have not given one inch, to my knowledge, on any entitlement reform or entitlement cuts. >> brian: he's going to go to tinker toys, to some odd manufacturing plants. the only thing i could picture him saying is it's time to lift the bush tax rates from the rich...
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. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a small college here that sits on the board of the henry clay center for statesmanship. the way to a solution, he says, is for both sides to have a voice. >> both have taken the attitude that it's my way or the highway. and americans recognize that that's just not the way things typically get done in this country. and if we continue along that line, we will go over the fiscal cliff and who knows what the abyss beyond it will be like. >> reporter: the united states senate's always valued its reputation as the world's greatest deliberative body set apart fr
. >> we shall not raise taxes in this country. we do not have a revenue problem. i would like senator mcconnell to recognize that the washington leaders are like a bunch of crack addicts. they need evermore money for evermore growing government and it is at the expense of the ordinary citizen that they pursue these policies. >> reporter: but the brighter those lines are drawn, the harder it will be to get a deal. owen williams worked more than 20 years on wall street. now he runs a...
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then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations,ut obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. neil: welcome back. >> most of you know me pretty well. what you see is what you get. while i may be affable and someone who can work with members of both parties, which i have demonrated over the 20 years i've been here, i have also determined to solve our spending problem. to also solve this debt criis. neil: speaker john boehner is not too confident that things are looking good. saying tt republicans are not the ones blocking a deal to avoid the disa
then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations,ut obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which...
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i mean you're probably sick of hearing that term fiscal cliff, debt ceiling, tax increases. got a lot of us worried that we're at the mercy of a feckless congress behaving more like stubborn kids than responsible lawmakers. wait. we did promise you a dream off the top of the show. imagine for a moment what it would be like if none of this fiscal cliff nonsense mattered the least bit to you. no debts. no family budgets. and a half billion dollars worth of powerball dreams. that is the jackpot, folks. the powerball jackpot. it just so happens to take millions of us buying up tickets to fatten up that jackpot to that big old size. alison kosic is at a 7-eleven in new york basically meeting a few of the wanna-be one percenters. the truth of the matter, what are the odds? >> reporter: i know. i hate to throw cold water on your whole dream statement that you gave. yes this is all about dreams but you know the odds of winning are really low. 175 million to 1. those are your odds. you know what? i can't help but dream, too. i got a ticket here. one ticket, it could be the winning on
i mean you're probably sick of hearing that term fiscal cliff, debt ceiling, tax increases. got a lot of us worried that we're at the mercy of a feckless congress behaving more like stubborn kids than responsible lawmakers. wait. we did promise you a dream off the top of the show. imagine for a moment what it would be like if none of this fiscal cliff nonsense mattered the least bit to you. no debts. no family budgets. and a half billion dollars worth of powerball dreams. that is the jackpot,...
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man are they very create on the tax front. now tax of a higr gas tax to fund construction projects. to slash all deducts and exemptions not just for the rich even adjust mortgage formula for example, likely veros in those taxpayers below $250,00 $250,000 threshold, more like a hundred grand crowd now. a health care surtax on the rich to cover a program whose costs are already spiralling. but not much cost on underlying abuses, you see a pattern here. i do not care whether you are on the left or right, the way we're going about this is not fair. no creative solutions to cut spending, a lot of ideas to raise revenues. taking a shine to spending our money, but never saving us money. we'll debate this. with wealth manager. if you want to look serious you need to put big spending cuts on the table. and we have, i just call him my toke an liberal friend. rick yo unger. you are not buying this. >> i see some, but the problem, you have to be careful not to create a new disaster by trying to solve another one, in 1980, 83% of americans had a defined pension benefit plan at work today that is
man are they very create on the tax front. now tax of a higr gas tax to fund construction projects. to slash all deducts and exemptions not just for the rich even adjust mortgage formula for example, likely veros in those taxpayers below $250,00 $250,000 threshold, more like a hundred grand crowd now. a health care surtax on the rich to cover a program whose costs are already spiralling. but not much cost on underlying abuses, you see a pattern here. i do not care whether you are on the left or...
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>> one reason to raise taxes we have 1 trillion dollar eficit, but i agree with charlie, we've got to cut this noncess out how we need 50 billion of extra stimulus. look, we're running 3illion a day of deficit spending, we don't even know if deficit spending is stimulative. we don't have to prove that that's stimulative. we're running such a huge deficit. unless he's a poker player and this is a bid to throw us off pace, that's not a serious proposal. we're not dealing with this seriously at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and he owes the population a lot more than he's owing. >> neil: adam, i'm worried that they make a christmas treeut of this and throwing more and more ornamts because it's the next legislation that we're cobblingogether we might as well put some spending in there. in this case, a minimum of 50 billion others like chuck scmer talked not trying to find a way to wiggle half a trillion dollars for another construction effort here, and on and on and on. >> well, of course, unfortunately, neil, i should say for better or worse, the way you're describing it is in fact the way it
>> one reason to raise taxes we have 1 trillion dollar eficit, but i agree with charlie, we've got to cut this noncess out how we need 50 billion of extra stimulus. look, we're running 3illion a day of deficit spending, we don't even know if deficit spending is stimulative. we don't have to prove that that's stimulative. we're running such a huge deficit. unless he's a poker player and this is a bid to throw us off pace, that's not a serious proposal. we're not dealing with this seriously...
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that includes a 3.8% tax for obamacare. taxes go on and on. so what are advisors telling their clients? the answer is maybe not so much. rick adelman joins me now. this is a letter yu wrote your clients. when i thought was interesting about it is that you don't get a ton of direct advice here. at the end of the day come you don't know what's going to happen. >> that's right, i'm an advisor who can devise because we don't know what the devices would be yet. we have a month before the end of the year. we knew it was going to happen as of january 1, we would be able to say definitively let's capture capital gains and save ourselves money. order, it's definitely not necessary. for the moment, we are saying that we are preparing. we are examining every client accounts so that we are ready to make a move if needed. let's not pull the trigger to set. gerri: one of the things people are concerned about, dividends and dividend paying stocks. wifi on? by southern? what you make of that debate? that is obamacare and that is the law and it is not expiring
that includes a 3.8% tax for obamacare. taxes go on and on. so what are advisors telling their clients? the answer is maybe not so much. rick adelman joins me now. this is a letter yu wrote your clients. when i thought was interesting about it is that you don't get a ton of direct advice here. at the end of the day come you don't know what's going to happen. >> that's right, i'm an advisor who can devise because we don't know what the devices would be yet. we have a month before the end...
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why is the flat tax that are? >> we have to remember that our income tax system serves two purposes. one is to fund the operations of government. the other is to communicate to the voters the true coot of government. our current system performs the first function poorly because it produces a volatile inconsistent system. it deceives some americans into thinking that the government cost little or nothing. in fact, they pay for higher taxes on other brackets. its paid for in terms of increased prices of goods and services and through unemployment and diminished wages. charles: i agree with you, once again. changing pace a little bit, monday night, representative john boehner asked several members of the tea party, the tea party getting a tremendous amount of negative press. a lot of people saying that if they are done, let's stick fork in him. what would you say to those people? >> the fact is that this grassroots political movement that started in 2009 is not going anywhere. it has become a part of what the republi
why is the flat tax that are? >> we have to remember that our income tax system serves two purposes. one is to fund the operations of government. the other is to communicate to the voters the true coot of government. our current system performs the first function poorly because it produces a volatile inconsistent system. it deceives some americans into thinking that the government cost little or nothing. in fact, they pay for higher taxes on other brackets. its paid for in terms of...
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then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the isres core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. ie learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. neil: welcome back. >> most of you know me pretty well. what you see is what you get. while i may be affable and someone who can work with meers of both parties
then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the isres core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which...
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a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker off fumbled through his rhetoric to say how tough he is and how resolute the white house will be in all of this. the reaction is in the markets, if it goes another couple of weeks. >> people are saying we are all idiots. people who don't have anything to do with washington and we have to live in places where we are the safest. the debt market or the equities market, particularly the equities market. china, germany, the u.s. they can survive these crazy politicians. lou: tell important. what do you think we can expect? >> far less signifi
a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker...
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two wars and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too much. this plan doesn't basically reform entitlement spending. we don't get our spending, with any of these three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spending in order. i will give you the last word. then we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing this. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everything. what we need to do is, to respond to the question, what do we do now in three weeks? let's go ahead and give 98% of the american people a tax cut. none of us are ignoring the viability and importance of looking at entitlement reform as it relates to savings, getting rid of waste fraud and abuse and other aspects. i will not tolerate increase in eligibility or raising the age but what republicans are doing is, they are putting the issue on taxes and they're not telling the american people that the enlightment reform and tax reform is an issue or issues that can be discussed in 2013 in deliberative manner liste
two wars and bush tax cuts. melissa: we afree on that. >> bush tax cuts. melissa: we have spent way too much. this plan doesn't basically reform entitlement spending. we don't get our spending, with any of these three plans. even going over the cliff we don't get the spending in order. i will give you the last word. then we go on. >> the issue with the republicans they're losing this. they're losing the argument, the debate, they're losing everything. what we need to do is, to...
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yeah, no one wants higher taxes, but we're not in a dp reception rightnow. we absolutely are going to die if things start to change and in fact, the underlying real problem, the growing deficit on the path to greece, the goalets worse once we kick the can away. that will be the overriding probleming not the slowing economy not people spending money, but sure, that might not happen in the first two months, but it will eventually happen if we keep kicking down the can. we want to prove to the world that we have a solution and if it takes a few months to get there and higher taxes for a while, big deal, we will get there. that's got to be the plan not just the same nonsense. >> yeah, but larry, that's part of your point, but jonas says we're not in a bad recession, we're certainly not in a good recovery. and if we just keep falling little bit by little bit, maybe as much as jump off the cliff, but it's certainly a slippery slope. >> brenda, the damage is already being done. we saw it in november retail sales and companies delaying activity already and we know t
yeah, no one wants higher taxes, but we're not in a dp reception rightnow. we absolutely are going to die if things start to change and in fact, the underlying real problem, the growing deficit on the path to greece, the goalets worse once we kick the can away. that will be the overriding probleming not the slowing economy not people spending money, but sure, that might not happen in the first two months, but it will eventually happen if we keep kicking down the can. we want to prove to the...
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then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and eenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stoma acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. neil: welcome back. >> most of y
then we have been signed on the tax hike that could put a spike tax hike that could put a spike in this very twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which...
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raising taxes on dividends dapital gains. given the president's collecvism i feel so sort of direct confiscation of people's 401(k)s is not impossible t begin with. it is a temendous amoun of weth. at the very lett might eliminate tax defermen people enjoyed. further down thespectrum could be o rit wealth tax. it happened many times in the past. it happened in ireland. it happened in argentina. could happen here as well. gerri: here is ts big pot of mone 18.5 trilln dollars. we know how the people are in washington. theyike to get their hands on whatever ty can. jonathan, let me tell you this. i had a guest on this week, that told me it was irresponsible, irresponsible for journalists to report the possibility that the government's sticky fingers might get on to our 40k)s. do you agree? >> i don't disagree attall. gerri. hopefully it is a warning gn. the president's proposal has en widely reported contained no net new tax cuts spending cuts. so there has been no real effort to reduce sppnding. interesting stat i wws keeping a
raising taxes on dividends dapital gains. given the president's collecvism i feel so sort of direct confiscation of people's 401(k)s is not impossible t begin with. it is a temendous amoun of weth. at the very lett might eliminate tax defermen people enjoyed. further down thespectrum could be o rit wealth tax. it happened many times in the past. it happened in ireland. it happened in argentina. could happen here as well. gerri: here is ts big pot of mone 18.5 trilln dollars. we know how the...
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he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan pfeiffer said. it promises to lower rates for the wealthy and stickhe middle-claas with the bill. we could do it pinocchio test. is that true or false? >> completely false. they want to keeall the race the same. now lower than for anybody. and maintaining the status quo on rates. the deductns are actually targeted for upper-ince people. the dmocrats, the white house, some left wing groups that on behalff the white house imagined how they would design the republican plan and then they attack it. dishonest during the ampaign, and the president is still running a political capaign. he's been all o
he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan...
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the key sticking points still the same, the white house says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. republicans say it's out of the question. >> the math is clear. the only way to accomplish these things is allow the rates to go up in the top 2% of taxpayers. >> he is going to punish success. we are going to put at risk the economic growth we need to create jobs and taxpayers and revenue we need to lower our deficit. >> temperature there's no deal by the end of the year, harsh tax hikes across the board and steep spending cuts automatically kick in. >>> federal health officials say flu season is already in full swing and what's more, early reports are that this year's strain may be severe. ines ferre reports. >> reporter: if you haven't had your flu shot yet now is the time. this is therriest start of the flu season -- this is the earliest start of the flu season in decade. alabama, also louisiana, mississippi, tennessee and texas are already reporting higher-than-normal numbers of cases. >> we usually see flu begin to have an uptick in four to six weeks now so seeing it this early
the key sticking points still the same, the white house says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. republicans say it's out of the question. >> the math is clear. the only way to accomplish these things is allow the rates to go up in the top 2% of taxpayers. >> he is going to punish success. we are going to put at risk the economic growth we need to create jobs and taxpayers and revenue we need to lower our deficit. >> temperature there's no deal by the end of the year, harsh...
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they are talking about what we have to do on taxes. somewhere along the line we have to talk about what we have to do on spending. if you do as the president asks and that is raise taxes on the top 2%, it funds the government for 8 days. you can't get there with just that. they are saying part of an overall deal. that's to include substantial spending cuts and particularly reforms and entitlements that is sure we can keep those programs alive in the years ahead. >> i want to ask both of you about tim gietner. is the white house ready to go over the fiscal cliff? and he said absolutely. is that digging in or a scare tactic? i was surprised to hear him say that. >> one of the biggest criticisms of president obama and the administration has been they tend to negotiate against themselves. i'm at this position and a week later i'm at this position. what he's trying to do is show their hardening their stance but in the end they will make a deal. it's hard to raise $1.6 trillion in revenues. most of the deals we've seen that were working were
they are talking about what we have to do on taxes. somewhere along the line we have to talk about what we have to do on spending. if you do as the president asks and that is raise taxes on the top 2%, it funds the government for 8 days. you can't get there with just that. they are saying part of an overall deal. that's to include substantial spending cuts and particularly reforms and entitlements that is sure we can keep those programs alive in the years ahead. >> i want to ask both of...
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raising more taxes? people are fleeing this city as it is. >> what happened to vallejo, the first california city to go bankrupt in 2008. they actually did raise taxes. along with that, they told citizens they could decide where the taxes went. so you may see a similar situation in places like san bernardino. tell you, melissa. it will not be the last one. pensions for local government are only 50% funded at this point. you have the situation going on across the state. melissa: you have the situation going on where there are just these liabilities there is no way to pay down the line, right, aaron? isn't that the real problem? >> well the problem is, the local governments, state government has been making promises they can't keep. really not fault of employees or frankly labor unions who will ask all they can get. it is fault of politicians who make the promises without setting aside money to pay for them. state level and municipalities we're paying more and more money to pensions and retiree health care
raising more taxes? people are fleeing this city as it is. >> what happened to vallejo, the first california city to go bankrupt in 2008. they actually did raise taxes. along with that, they told citizens they could decide where the taxes went. so you may see a similar situation in places like san bernardino. tell you, melissa. it will not be the last one. pensions for local government are only 50% funded at this point. you have the situation going on across the state. melissa: you have...
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tax everybody at same rate and tax at lower rate. liz: sheila, the thesis of your idea, why you're on today, talk about forget congress and the president for a moment, congress wall street has to step up. special treatment they get has to stop. what is your idea of wall street and how it should get involved? >> that would be one big one. that is 90 billion a year i believe. there is another question whether we should subsidized excessive leverage at some of these financial institutions. right now the tax code actually gives financial institutions a financial incentive to fund themselves by borrowing a lot of money as opposed to funding themselves with shareholder equity. so some have suggested capping that. if you're levered over certain percentage or number of ratio, 12 to one i suggest, you don't get interest deduction. another way to do it which would be more expensive, equalize treatment of interest and dividends to deduct dividends. that might mate i can more palatable for some to stop treatment for income. but, i think those, t
tax everybody at same rate and tax at lower rate. liz: sheila, the thesis of your idea, why you're on today, talk about forget congress and the president for a moment, congress wall street has to step up. special treatment they get has to stop. what is your idea of wall street and how it should get involved? >> that would be one big one. that is 90 billion a year i believe. there is another question whether we should subsidized excessive leverage at some of these financial institutions....
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adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this as republics raising taxes. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their incometaxes automatically go up on january 1st. that is sort of like a lump of coal you get for christmas. >> congressional democrats operating like they don't have to compromise on spending or taxes. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned, made it very clear. made very clear that he was supporting tax cuts for the middlelass, that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> very little progress among the inside player so far,
adding tax hikes on dividends and capital gains. the white house wants 50 billion in new spending next year alone in a long-term deal that is supposed to be about cutting spending. >> not even $400 billion in cts and they want to have this extra spending that is actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. >> the president may have the upper hand because the fiscal cliff tops allow him to back the opposition into a corner by framing this as...
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basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you know, they get special tax break for, for instance if they want to make a project internationally, they have a special government-backed loan program at the u.s. export-import bank. last year that program alone provided $10.4 billion in fossil fuels. melissa: can i ask you would be be better like my children and wont out like the navy and spent $26 a gallon on biofuels or like the air force which is spending $59 a gallon. would that be better for my children if we were all doing that? i don't like the navy and air force doing that. i think that is bad for my children's
basically i pay taxes. you pay taxes. melissa: ex on pays taxes? >> exxon does not pay their fair share. they get tax breaks written to the law by highly paid lobbyists and supported by many congresspeople who they give millions of dollars too every year in election campaigns. melissa: but you still said tax breaks. that is their money that they're hanging on to. it is not money they're getting back from congress. it is their money!. >> it is money that everyone else has to pay. you...
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so far, the tax code is really segmented largely for personal and business taxes. the sharing economy presents a nuanced situation. individuals are not businesses but are enjoying a new stream of income. we are interested in having that conversation in a way where we can use the new economy to benefit the city as well as individuals who are proactively taking all entrepreneurship in their own hands to leverage their own resources and knowledge to supplement their income. >> at task rabbit, we're looking to partner with the city and generate more awareness around what we do and how consumers and small businesses can get involved. we have a lot of small businesses utilizing the network as a delivery force or on demand labor force, particularly with seasonal businesses. they do not want to have to hire a bunch of full-time employees for a month or two of work. they're able to utilize the task private network to scale up and down. another case we see is for deliveries. suzy cakes uses task rabbit to get her goodies out. these tasks rabbits are using their own vehicles
so far, the tax code is really segmented largely for personal and business taxes. the sharing economy presents a nuanced situation. individuals are not businesses but are enjoying a new stream of income. we are interested in having that conversation in a way where we can use the new economy to benefit the city as well as individuals who are proactively taking all entrepreneurship in their own hands to leverage their own resources and knowledge to supplement their income. >> at task...
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tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near seven week high against the green back after greece announced its debt buy back terms. euro rose to a $1131. that's high historically. action in the metals. silver, platinum, all sinking more than 1%. silver was today's biggest loser dropping nearly p 3% to settle at $32.81 an ounce. david: markets hopping, but the next trader says investor participation is shifting. in chicago, larry, the key question here is what happens when the market gets off its hind legs and moves? move up or down? >> it all depen
tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near...
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they'd like to continue the payroll tax credit. they want a permanent increase in the debt limit and a one-year extension of expanded jobless benefits. they want at least $50 billion in spending as a stimulus to the economy. that was the white house ask that prompted that laugh from mitch mcconnell when tim geithner gave it to him yesterday. today in an interview with "the wall street journal," mcconnell floated his own balloon of what he'd like to see. here are some of the elements. mcconnell saying they want changes to entitlement eligibility. they would agree to more tax revenue, yes, but not higher rates. only if they get the revenue through changing deductions and other things like that. they say the white house is almost comical here. the key is means testing of these entitlement programs and age extensions for retirement, particularly, obviously, with social security and medicare. that's the key to the deal, guys. now we end the week sort of nowhere. they'll be back at it again next week. >> all right. thanks so much, eamon
they'd like to continue the payroll tax credit. they want a permanent increase in the debt limit and a one-year extension of expanded jobless benefits. they want at least $50 billion in spending as a stimulus to the economy. that was the white house ask that prompted that laugh from mitch mcconnell when tim geithner gave it to him yesterday. today in an interview with "the wall street journal," mcconnell floated his own balloon of what he'd like to see. here are some of the elements....
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is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent washington post op-ed. overwhelmingly the charitable deduction benefits the wealthy. here to discuss, president of independent sector and stacey stewart, president of the united weight both of whom met at the white house with the president. white house officials pleading there case. i can't imagine having to better guess for this segment. i want to start with this idea because it kind of blew me away when i saw. a major beneficiary for the charitable deddction, the %-i thought what about that charities and all the people who do -- to rely on them for there good work. let's start with you. entellus the, you know, who does benefit from the charitable deduction? who does your charities serve? >> the notion that the charitable deduction benefits the wealth
is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent washington post op-ed. overwhelmingly the charitable deduction benefits the wealthy. here to discuss, president of independent sector and stacey stewart, president of the united weight both of whom met at the white...
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for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every day that goes by after january 1st isn't going to look like that big of a deal and essentially, time will run out for both parties, you will have a lot of problems in 2013, they will take the lion's share away from fiscal dealmaking, senate confirmation, have the debt ceiling, the long-delayed nuclear negotiableses with iran, going to have posturing for the 2014 campaigns. all of those things are going to suck out the moment up that we have right now. so, yes, democrats are not as bad off as the republicans, but that doesn't mean they should be waiting either. >> i
for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every...
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, $15 million in state tax, using missouri state tax rate. guess what? governments take nearly a billion dollars, took in nearly a billion dollars last night and the winner split 232 million. so 116 million. >> gretchen: here is the question that nobody can answer for me today. that is the whole purpose of the lottery, the intention of the lottery originally was for states to raise money to help education. >> sure. >> they do. >> gretchen: excuse me. we are terrible at school right now. our students are on a downgrade. we're talking constantly about having no budgets for our schools and we're talking right now on capitol hill about raising taxes because we have no money. >> and by the way, guys, there is a huge, huge controversy brewing over this literally trillion dollar bomb that could explode in student loans defaulting and maybe there is going to be some sort of push to bail that sector out. maybe that's the next obama bailout. >> steve: thank you very much. we'll be watching you and brian. you'll be two of the five on "the five." >> bria
, $15 million in state tax, using missouri state tax rate. guess what? governments take nearly a billion dollars, took in nearly a billion dollars last night and the winner split 232 million. so 116 million. >> gretchen: here is the question that nobody can answer for me today. that is the whole purpose of the lottery, the intention of the lottery originally was for states to raise money to help education. >> sure. >> they do. >> gretchen: excuse me. we are terrible at...
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why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at haing a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the ameican people for not wanting to raise axes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senator john mccain, senator lindsay gramm, senator chambliss the list goes on. i mea -- >> it doesn'go on. it does not go on. here's theood news. all the people who last week and said we might raise taxes under certain circumstaes with the same people who said that two years ago. and everyews dia outlet in the country has said the last week, would you like to be famous? would you like to be called important and influential? come to our tv station and announced u areefor tax increases and we will tell everyone you are impor
why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at haing a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the ameican people for not...
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hunter: that sales tax counts for about a third of the revenue of the department right now. franklin: we got 75% of the voters to agree to tax themselves so that their children and their children's children could have clean water because we're investing in it now. hunter: there were no alternatives. the infrastructure was in dire straits. a lot of people didn't want to believe it had to be done, but it had to be done. what came out of those lawsuits by the upper chattahoochee river keeper were two consent decrees, focused on overflows. the intent is, city of atlanta, you need to keep the flows in the pipe. narrator: with the help of the funding the city raised, atlanta has been implementing an asset management plan that evaluates and addresses their infrastructure issues. hunter: it's a continuum. at one end, you have your regular maintenance that you do every day on the system, and at the other end, long-term planning so that every year we're repairing, replacing the right things, and we don't have to do it all at once, which is, quite frankly, what we're having to do in at
hunter: that sales tax counts for about a third of the revenue of the department right now. franklin: we got 75% of the voters to agree to tax themselves so that their children and their children's children could have clean water because we're investing in it now. hunter: there were no alternatives. the infrastructure was in dire straits. a lot of people didn't want to believe it had to be done, but it had to be done. what came out of those lawsuits by the upper chattahoochee river keeper were...
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up in the estate tax goes up. basically, we could be looking at a private stimulus package happening. >> you are talking about transferring 25 million-dollar houses from one rich person to another, right? >> you are buying stuff back and forth. the parents to give that to their kids. the estate tax is 35% on everything over $5 million and agosta 55%. anything over $1 million. it is horrible. melissa: dennis needs a break after running the 12 flights of stairs. this time this item is for christmas. this starbucks card will set you back $450. the card itself costs $50, then the card itself is $450 for the gift card. you cannot buy them at the store coming have to give them from gil.com. >> of i spent $450, it will be almost a full pair of christian louis vuitton shoes. i'm not sure they are seen holding this card. >> a person is going to say my gold card -- what happens if you violate 10 cups of coffee, do you get a gold card membership? >> the highest profit margin will be on the copy. how much is that slipups stai
up in the estate tax goes up. basically, we could be looking at a private stimulus package happening. >> you are talking about transferring 25 million-dollar houses from one rich person to another, right? >> you are buying stuff back and forth. the parents to give that to their kids. the estate tax is 35% on everything over $5 million and agosta 55%. anything over $1 million. it is horrible. melissa: dennis needs a break after running the 12 flights of stairs. this time this item is...
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tax rates. tax rates. tax rates, tax rates. like tourettes. that is all they want. >>neil: member the middle ground they rumored about last week, maybe not 39.6 percent the top rate, but mid-30's but regardless you think the rate will change. >>guest: i am pessimistic short run and long run. there is in reason why they should go up but i think they will. we need to just limit the growth of spending to 2.5 percent a year on average and the fight is about taxes going up so that spending can go up and that is a game leapfrog. we end up with more debt and a weaker economy. the road map is greece, italy, spain, all over europe but the president thinks you can tax-and-spend your way to prosperity. >>neil: what the administration throws back on the issue is take a look at italy and greece, austerity has worked. you say what? >>guest: they have a strange definition. alwaysst either to them means higher taxes in europe and the united states austerity means less spending. i am in favor of the right definition of austerity. the balkan countries got out of the mess and now they
tax rates. tax rates. tax rates, tax rates. like tourettes. that is all they want. >>neil: member the middle ground they rumored about last week, maybe not 39.6 percent the top rate, but mid-30's but regardless you think the rate will change. >>guest: i am pessimistic short run and long run. there is in reason why they should go up but i think they will. we need to just limit the growth of spending to 2.5 percent a year on average and the fight is about taxes going up so that...
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this is his principles for tax reform from his budget in 2011. lower tax rates. the tax system should be simplified and work for all americans with lower individual and corporate tax rates and fewer brackets. again, that is the compromise we're all looking for, quickly. >> well it is absolutely but let me take you back to where you started. that is we have the big increases in spending that seem to be in the budget right now. that is where really the other side on this debate wants to go. increase spending. they need increased revenues. why not go over the fiscal cliff where you get both of those? i think that's where we are headed, david, unfortunately. david: bill beach, director of heriiage foundation director of for analysis. good to see you again. liz: right before the holidays, citi cutting costs and 11,000 jobs with it. that number could go up even more. liz macdonald has all the breaking details exclusively here on fox business. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care syst spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got he
this is his principles for tax reform from his budget in 2011. lower tax rates. the tax system should be simplified and work for all americans with lower individual and corporate tax rates and fewer brackets. again, that is the compromise we're all looking for, quickly. >> well it is absolutely but let me take you back to where you started. that is we have the big increases in spending that seem to be in the budget right now. that is where really the other side on this debate wants to go....
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. >> sean: same with value added tax after eliminating the fair tax is good, each one is progressive, the more you make, the more you spend. >> people get a flat tax. fair share, think flat tack. i'm starting to see forbes about it and listen this is what we ought to be doing. >> sean: where is the president? why the constant campaign? after every election there's a period when things can get den, good things. i was saying this to bob woodward, one in six in poverty, 50 million on food stamps this is not a time to play games this is a time to get this country out of the fiscal mess it is in, live within our means that means really doing big things, touching entitlements saving them from bankruptcy. campaigning in pennsylvania using class warfare. >> it is more egregious when you know we've had four deaths in libya. what happened how can we avoid that mistake in the future? when you go around the country and texas and people are hurting and struggling and it is breaking their heart to make ends meet and you know we have more energy than anybody in the world and not using it. >> sean: i
. >> sean: same with value added tax after eliminating the fair tax is good, each one is progressive, the more you make, the more you spend. >> people get a flat tax. fair share, think flat tack. i'm starting to see forbes about it and listen this is what we ought to be doing. >> sean: where is the president? why the constant campaign? after every election there's a period when things can get den, good things. i was saying this to bob woodward, one in six in poverty, 50...
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i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all, credit in commercial real estate is phenomenal. cap rates are really low. so the fact that rates are as low as they are has allowed commercial real estate not to fall into the abyss. if commercial real estate had to refi at high rates, we would have had another problem. the other problem is the fact margins are getting squeezed at these banks. credit quality is better. >> that's where the money comes from. >> yeah, fees. by the way, you can eat these loan loss reserves. citi still has close to $10 billion in reserves. they've not used them. >> that's interesting. >> these
i think the market has digested a bit that tax rates will go up. it's just a matter of how much spending are we going to cut to make this a market between the democrats and republicans. >> does monetary policy hurt or help the banks? keeping rates as low as they are, it's tough to make a buck the traditional way of lending and spending, right? >> i'm going to be a two-armed economist because i can't said on the other hand. there's two things that are very important. first of all,...
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credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that you got to pay part of that revenue toward that debt just like every single american that owns a home pays part of their monthly revenue toward their mortgage debt. it's exactly the same thing. the problem that grover and i have, he says if you do that, that's a tax increase, because the rest of it is going to go to lowering tax rates, and that's not 100% going to lowering tax rates. >> sean: if you're talking about $1.1 trillion or $1.2 trillion in revenue, that's raising taxes. people will pay more. when people pay more -- >> no. >> sean: they're no
credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that...
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it is supported by the payroll taxes. that workers and their employers pay. >> you have seen, surveys that show the direct we're going, we -- the direction we're going we have moved its trouble date up, compared to other programs, that is prestin my only point is why not put it out there, why not put out medicare, and medicaid and everything, and for republican defense, everything, and rather than pick and choose. >> whether defense, medicare, medicaid, those are out of general revenues, they are in a defendant category. social security, does nida, just need adjustments, it should not be part of solves will deficit. neil: i think what is intrinsic. is what you are not saying. that we're missing an opportunity to address the overall rate of money coming in and money going out. if you want to leave social security alone, and just look at all of other entitlements and big spending and hear, they say focus it has to be on taxes, i'm not here is a they don't raise taxes on the rich. the elects do have consequences that is one
it is supported by the payroll taxes. that workers and their employers pay. >> you have seen, surveys that show the direct we're going, we -- the direction we're going we have moved its trouble date up, compared to other programs, that is prestin my only point is why not put it out there, why not put out medicare, and medicaid and everything, and for republican defense, everything, and rather than pick and choose. >> whether defense, medicare, medicaid, those are out of general...